How a CPU Cooler Works Both air and liquid CPU coolers operate on a similar principle, and both do essentially the same thing: absorb heat from the CPU and redistribute it away from the hardware. [–]Luxurious_Foam -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (3 children). Obviously, air coolers need a supply of fresh air from case fans and will also run hotter in case than on test bench, but you don't really need to run the fans all that much faster in case to achieve roughly the test bench results, whereas on AIO, to overcome the extra resistance of the case, you need to crank the RPM quite a bit, and thus increase the noise quite a lot, to come close to the test bench results (with the stock AIO fans, to make it clear). It's always good to know stuff like this. One of the biggest enemies of all desktop computers is heat. Air cooling wins in pretty much every way here. The next thing to consider is price. Well but in an AIO, you can't really easily drain water or replace a pump though right? The way for heat pipes to fail is either catastrophic breach or fabrication error. there is replacement of all the pieces, [–]ASuarezMascareno 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago (1 child). In my opinion water cooling 1080ti is not worth it. Would the ranking change much depending on the type of case? Dimensions: 158.8 x 120.1 x 63.5mm | Base Height: 38.1.1mm | Weight: 20.8oz (590g) | Fans: (1) 120 x 25mm | Socket Support: AMD AM3(+), AM4, Intel 115x, 2011x, 2066 | Warranty: 3 years. 2. It is the belief of many that liquid coolers are better at managing the temperatures of your processor, but this isn’t always the case. Nothing about "hot water" is going to touch a metallic bond. Where are the Hyper 212 and the like? Dimensions: 171.5 x 139.7 x 133.4mm | Base Height: 38.1mm | Weight: 42.7oz (1210g) | Fans: (2) 140 x 25mm | Socket Support: 115x, 1366, 2011x, 2066; FM2(+), FM1, AM2(+), AM3(+), AM4 | Warranty: 5 years. Thanks, can't watch the videeo atm. [–]MlNDB0MB 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). Permeation isn't a concern, related by GN, until at least 6 years. As far as performance goes, it isn’t necessarily better than a good air cooling system, it’s just an alternative option. [–]Kpofasho87 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), If buildzoid says that honestly that's good enough for me. Did you watch a different video? Wish it wasn't out of stock everywhere. Liquid cooling offers cooling specific components. Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling: Five Things to Consider Before You Choose. A liquid cooling system is comprised of one or more water blocks, a radiator, a pump, and a small internal fan. Pure Rock 2, We check over 130 million products every day for the best prices, Intel Rocket Lake-S CPU Skyrockets to 6.9 GHz Under Liquid Nitrogen, Thermaltake's Tower 100 Mini Is a True Showcase, EVGA Demos Liquid-Cooled GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Hydro Copper, Phytium Develops Eight-Core ARM CPU for Desktops, Thermaltake's Trio of CPU Coolers Tame The Toughest Of CPUs. that make an air cooler much simpler overall. Under those condtions, you need to report GPU benchmark results, not temperature. So, a CLC means you can't change out anything or expand, then, from some definitions I'm reading: CLC = it is a closed loop - meaning no changing of tubing, res, pump, block etc. The thing that pushes me away from AIOs is the maintenance / lifespan of them. But one of the advantages for liquid cooling is that it's all standardized. The best air cooler vs. the best liquid cooler – analyzed, benchmarked, noise and temperatures tested, and final winner(s?) You could throw the same fans on the air cooler too for that comparison. Considering the CLC 360 is at or near the top of GN's charts, I'd expect the Arctic to easily be number 1. There was a problem. They can also be louder and less efficient at moving heat away from your choice of CPU and out of the chassis, though that’s not always the case. I have the Liquid Freezer 240 and I was able to find the stats that it is able to dissipate 300 Watts TDP. But, no windows on this case here, so it didn't look that bad. A Ryzen 3700X has 88W PPT at stock and the lowest GN test is 123W with differences already being miniscule. I've not been able to find the cooling capacity on these coolers. I built a rig with one 8 years ago and it never had any issues or maintenance asides from dusting. I run the pump (constant 12 + variable fan speed completely through the UEFI fan control. Really? GPU temperature and power draw would also be acceptable, I think. Ya, so I have 2 computer builds. The Pros and Cons of Liquid Cooling a CPU. This includes tech support and PC building questions. Corsair and EK I guess are the two off the top of my head that use decent fans. No submissions to streaming sites outside of event megathreads. [–]derider -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago (6 children). If you’re unsure whether you want air cooling or a liquid-cooled AIO, there are a few things to consider. Even more amazing is that it does so with roughly the same noise profile, making the Scythe Fuma a fearsome offering in that it doesn't sacrifice a low-noise operation for its exceptional price-to-performance ratio. If you’re unsure whether you want air cooling or a liquid-cooled AIO, there are a few things to consider. But to be fair, it's a little bit undervolted. I wouldn't keep one past the warranty because failure can be very expensive. I refuse to touch any software from a consumer PC hardware manufacturer unless absolutely necessary. How do you find building in the SFF? [–]Gaffots 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago* (23 children). Nothing new happened with the 8K benchmarks. Heat cycling (i.e., expansion) of copper is also nothing. Like my Meshfiy C has room for two 140/120mm fans on top, but not a 280mm AIO as there is not enough clearance, also if you have tall ram even a 240mm cooler could be trouble. Guess I'm woefully versed in water cooling, [–]pakeco 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). I'd rather go with air cooling, something like a 50€ Scythe Fuma 2 is already more than you need in a setup like that. I don't want to rag on this particular video, but what it fails to consider is how garbage the included fans on CLC's are and that when you stick the AIO in the case, you're introducing further airflow restrictions. As they heat up, the clockspeeds are adjusted down to compensate. In the GN video they say some of the 3x12mm AIOs have issues creating enough static pressure to move the air trough the radiator. Liquid cooling is the best way to cool a CPU because water transfers heat much more efficiently than air. [–]manesag 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), I’ve had my X61 since 2016, no issue at all. Some mfg even say if it happens, it's your problem, even under warranty. At that point it isn't longer a fair comparison though. No submissions to crowdfunding sites or ongoing campaigns. Starts here in the video: https://youtu.be/7VzXHUTqE7E?t=1344. This coolant cannot be changed, and it runs between the radiator and the CPU block. With slightly better cooling and slightly lower noise than the above Arctic model, Noctua's NH-U12A becomes the premium choice for buyers who aren't afraid to pay big dollars for small gains. [–]UlrikHD -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago (20 children). [–]overdark33 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). 150 C of water, inside an otherwise vacuum, means nothing to a sintered copper heatpipe. There are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a cooling solution for your CPU, but the main factor is clear – performance. CPU speed won't change unless you get to the ~85C range, which even on an overclocked CPU with a half decent case and cooler is very rare. They also take longer to reach steady-state, which can help with bursty loads. [–]re_error 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Just one more question. In the 40 dba chart the best clc was 10 C cooler than the D15, would love to see how much further that can go. everything included), but it is not a CLC. [–]Bergh3m 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (3 children), [–]UlrikHD 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Should be stated that gunk builds up on the insides of liquid coolers. Good air coolers are typically a large cube right in the middle of everything and tends to block access to RAM and motherboard headers. [–]aSc4rYGh0sT 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago (1 child). [–]some_craic_dealer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (2 children). Some air coolers even go as far as using fans only designed for that particular cooler, like the DRP4 with its 135mm SW3. Liquid Cooling Performance Testing Posted by Brian Nyhuis | Mon, May 01, 2017 - 12:00 PM Jump To: Page 1: Ryzen CPU Cooler vs. The "hot" air coming off a front mounted AIO is nowhere near the CPU temperature when the system is under load - typically it's only a few degrees above ambient temperature. Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? Would 2x140mm perform better in those situations? The whole point with aio is that it you get some bonuses of open loop cooling with the same ease of installment that air coolers offer. for this build. And there are absolutely reasons to go with air cooling: a good entry-level air cooler is typically about $20 less expensive than an entry-level liquid cooler, and has the potential to be quieter to boot. I used to never turn it off for the longest time - until I put an x62 on my 980ti. One of the few out there I take their word on, Edit: I realize eventually they will fail but I doubt it's anything you have to worry about, [–]-protonsandneutrons- 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago (27 children). :(, [–]EmperorCanadian 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). This includes 'What should I buy? Even the longest U-shaped heatpipes are ~40 centimeters, i.e., the Noctua DH-15, so ~48 micrometers of total expansion. I.e. Thank you for signing up to Tom's Hardware. The five components of a water cooling system are: Pump – circulates coolant around the system. Per dollar? [–]Jonathan924 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children), My H100 was cooked after probably 5-6 years for what it's worth, [–]feanor512 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). Pairing that thermal performance with low noise makes it our choice for air-cooling big CPUs, with great looks and easy installation qualifying as bonuses. [–]fiah84 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago* (0 children), depends 100% on where the cooler gets its air from. OC is where water cooling really starts to make a lot of sense and differences become more pronounced. This is something I think needed to be explored, and I wouldn't trust anyone other than GN to do it right. I just don't trust an AIO to run 24/7 . That's not really content. Here's the failure rate of AIOs: 0.25% and dropping, according to Asetek (the employee previously at NZXT). I think in the long term I am going to get the most value from the Noctua. Note that DeepCool's AS500 is also an excellent alternative for those who don't quite have the room or the budget for a true big air cooler. For most people a £50 and an extra £100+ to put towards the GPU is going to be the better option. If the cooler's TDP capacity does not at least equal the CPU's, the CPU will overheat under heavy load. Unlike air cooling, where setup consists of plugging in a fan, water cooling is very complex. The Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M is our pick for an excellent performing mid-size air cooler, especially considering the aggressively designed exterior shell and the inclusion of addressable RGB lighting from within the cooling tower itself. True but... let's just say that by the time the heatpipe bursts, the pump has 4 life cycles behind it and the liquid is full of algae. An AIO is just means "everything you need is included". But yeah poking around the answer appears to be that they last long enough that even embedded systems don't need to worry. 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